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In preparation for this year’s Best Running Shoes video, we chat through the shortlist across a range of categories: best race shoe, best daily shoe, best-cushioned shoe, best all-rounder, and best value.

We also end up having a detailed debate about what each category actually means.

Big thanks to Fear of Tigers for the killer intro music. You can listen to more of his stuff over at


[Applause] [Music] Hey it's Tomy from the Run testers and Welcome back to another podcast in this Episode we are going to be talking about Our best running shoes guide 2024 that's Going to be coming out in a couple of Weeks in this video we're talking Through the categories that we have to Choose shoes for to give a bit of an Idea of how we decide on those shoes and The discussions that go on hope you Enjoy it [Music] Evening gentlemen on this hot Summer's Night how's it going beautiful amazing Very sweaty very very sweaty too sweaty Have you been running in it yes oh yes Track session today very very disgusting B baking well it won't last will it no Tomorrow is finished right oh is it all Right okay I better go sit outside for a Bit yeah yeah right let's uh let's have A let's kick off by chatting about Training and stuff coming up it's we're Way out of marathon season now so I Don't actually know what you L are are Planning at the moment we know what Kieran's been up to we know what kier's Been up to wear all the gear yeah for Listeners uh Kieran is wearing what can Described as 1990s children's TV uh kids TV presenter clothing see the hats all Right that is the worst shirt I've ever

Seen it's it's Lively it's Lively listen You have to you have to consider out in South Africa when you're out there all Of the club kits and all of the clothes That everybody's wearing when they're Running are mad Lively like they are Full on it's all like Arsenal from the Whatever that black and yellow shirt From the Arsenal team it's all that kind Of gear so this is actually quite Conservative compared to some of the Stuff that people were wearing I quite Love it it's giving off like African Football club team sh Vibes big time Give it off I don't know if you've seen The sketch I think you should leave Sketch Vibes where the the the cost of The shirt is directly related to the Complicated complicatedness of the Pattern on It well let's start with you then kieren Because it' be a bit unfair to not start With you if you wearing do last Now shirt so I could go first so so Suggest that you have done comrades Ken I have I have done comrades yeah got my Second comrades did the up run so now Done the down and the up consecutive Years is you have to do them your first Two times in order to get a back-to-back Medal so completed that first down run Was 848 for the 55 miles uun was 850 Which I think is pretty solid for I Didn't realize on the U run it that the

Hill it's like just the first 30 all the Hill is like straight away it's not like It's up and down it's just loads of up Straight away yeah sort of I mean There's 45 basically it starts with Almost like a 45 km yeah I looked at the Elevation profile yeah it looks um it's Just okay that's a it's a rough start And then and then everyone says once you Get to the once you get to about 45 46k The rest of it starts to be more Runnable but they leave out the fact That there's I think about 80 kilometers There's something called poly shorts Which is probably the biggest and Nastiest climb in the whole of the race And that's the one that really really Hurts people particularly if they're Chasing a time because you've it's Basically when if you need to run it You're going to be in a lot of trouble Most people walk it unless they're Really struggling for a time for the Elite basically the person who gets to The top of poly shorts in the lead Always wins the race so this is where People tend to make their move and and Break people if they can run it but if You're if you're like in the middle or To the back of the pack this is the hill That you fear it's not like a but Compared to like the ones you've done Mountain it's not like loads of Elevation in total it's quite great that

First climb is just digs in the whole Way basically it's not like a one very Very steep descent no this is this is This is where I think the race is really Interesting and different because it It's almost it almost opens up the Potential for you to actually run it too Hard in that first 45 you know you can Kind of Glide it up and I those Kilometers went very quickly but if you Make the mistake of thinking well this Is all right I can kind of attack this Or run a little bit over your pace You'll pay for it later it's one where You have to really really Park the ego What was hard down down that Hill I Think coming down that hill was Horrendous you know you have no the one Thing I was sort of talking to people You have no control over how much you Suffer on the down because it just drags You you know you have you're breaking All the time and you can't really Control what's happening to your body And it mashes up your quads on the UPS You can at least decide how much you Want to push and how much you want to Hurt you know your it's gravity is Working slightly differently with you But I think if I if you had to if I had To run one of them to save my own life It would be the up all right well with That out the way Kieran is that you're Done now for comrades you're not going

To go back and do it again I don't know I mean I I thought i' I wasn't sure I'd Go back for the to get the back toback And do the second but it's it's honestly One of the best events that I've ever Run there's such a good spirit about the Race that my mate goes back every year Two of them because of this and they Never intended to do more than one it's Kind of got me hooked it's an incredible Four days and if you've got bucket list Races out there or if you're thinking About doing something it's just immense It's absolutely amazing and the best bit Is like if you about I think it's Something s silly like 60% of the people Finish in the last hour so it's just got This crazy crazy Cry of spirit for Everybody helping everybody get through How far from the Finish could you see The T-shirt I mean I yeah I See a lot of people I think a lot of People were wearing it whilst they were Rded oh okay it wasn't just glinting in The sun behind the thing drawing Everybody yeah but go and do it I Honestly recommend it it's like once in A lifetime it's it's a magic magic Race So what's the next the next thing on the List and then I've got I'm going back to The danu for a bit I'm going to go and Do a little uh just for fun 45 mile or Over three days and then in August I'm Going to go and do the Berlin w 100

Again so going to try and get further Than 6 miles this time on that7 Miles You got it thought was it I I always for Watch the video but I thought it was 67 Miles two3 isn't it no smaller rers Coming up then nothing no that's that's It I've just yeah got that one big one And try and survive that and I'd love I'd love to beat my 100 mile time which Is 26 hours but we will see Mike doing Something similar I imagine yeah all of The Big R now all small races only small Races only for the rest of the year That's my that's my plan um no I mean I Think basically what I've I've just been Going out and enjoying my running and I'm not really had any kind strut to my Training I think I'm going to what I've Decided get into July I have got um saky Um London 10K I'm doing in July um and Then July is a point where I'm going to Put some kind of marks down in terms of What I want to do for the rest of the Year decide whether I want to do or we Plan to do an Autumn Marathon that's Still yet to be decided um mainly Because I've got a lot of things going On real life for Mike and Tom at the Moment it's fair Yeah so we'll see but um yeah I've been Enjoying do I've done some kind of Shorter races um I've been doing back Into doing some club race as well it's Just been it's been nice to just get

Enjoy the run without too much Structured kind of training but there Has been a lot of shoes test so I have Been out running a fair bit still and Yeah just just enjoyed it at the moment I think yeah I've given myself start of July I'll decide what I want to do for The rest of the year what I can feasibly Fit in and kind of the targets I'll have Um before the end of the year h enjoy The summer yeah I will well then Nick You doing the same sort of vibe short Stuff for me at the moment I did the S10k a week back I ran pretty well Managed to get under get sub 33 not a PB But in good shape I was pretty Comprehensively beaten by uh by Ben Ben Felton who had a terrible day but still Beat you a good 30 seconds that's kind Of the disparity in our abilities these Days I've got a half marathon battery And I've got short races as well some Club races half marathon want to go After a sub 70 um but a lot will depend On the weather in July and then after a While the build for Valencia will start But I'll probably try and do some more Halfes in the um I want to do some more 10K trying and go for a PB but there's Not really anything around in the summer So apart from just run through so I Might try and get some of those in the Autumn along with the half then because I feel pretty good I'm um yeah mileage

Is back up everything's feeling quite Good feeling pretty quick had a horrible 20 times 400 meter session today where I Ran some of the faster reps I've ever Done so that's good Everything feels Okay but um it's just it's just I think It's got hard to a lot of races in the Summer for a good reason it's very hot Sometimes when you race in the summer And that a risk so but I'd thought There'd be more 10K you can get for a 10K if it's bright and Phoenix 10K When's that it's a Wednesday evening in July oh okay well maybe that one yeah That be quick stay at mine Phoenix Absolutely stacked with good runers so That'd be pretty good yeah actually do Give me the details for that depending On how late it is into July um it's just It's just a risky one it's sometimes It's it can be you know if it's good Weather it's a perfect PB course if it's If normal well you did the 10K with me Oober though Sur it's windy in October Be there be enough leads quicker than me That i' thought I could probably tuck in And do no work to help the group that Would be my aim basically I think I did It in the canar pros last Last AR they oh yeah Kar Pro a funky Choice it was windy I was coming off Injury and I was wearing the kar Pros it Was not not my fin imagine the scowl on His face every step condition I was not

I was not enjoying that still big news In Tom's world tomorrow what's happening Tomorrow tom yeah I'm getting some doors In the house it's very exciting a lot of Listeners that are on the edge of their Seat finding out I they're not in yet so I'm worried it's going to turn up and They're going to be the wrong size doors Go be amazing too small like saloon Doors or Something which I'll just take I'll take Anything why doesn't your house have Doors already it's a fair question I Don't know I don't know I there I they Took them with them and I and I don't Know I don't know why you do that they Burn them just outside your house or They never had doors either way it's Strange scenario really really open Family I mean that's no one takes doors With you you might take like lamp shad And unless you really annoyed them in The process of buying what's going to Really annoy take the doors go on take The doors and they very nice take some Of the Skirting yes get really treated myself Some fancy doors tomorrow so fire doors Uh yes of course fire doors yeah Ni cool well uh my running pretty uh Lame at the moment yeah Just look it just struggling to make a 50k a week your your 10K look like a Like an exercise and disappointment at

The weekend where you you ran a pretty Good 5K and then look like oh I hate This well basically I did I did despawn 10K and at the moment my only aim is to See if I still got the speed I know I Haven't got the fitness so I just like To see at least 5K go yeah I've still Got the speed then I can work on the Fitness another time but yeah I'm couple Of minutes off my PB at the moment but Training starts in July so um what you Do this you Valen as well you yeah you Okay nice get some pass lined up when's Big half I've got big half I'm doing big Half I'm doing this 10K so 10K with u i Can't do that my wife's racing that day That's that's going to be a tough one I'm not going to be very fit for that But um by the big I should be quite fit I like the London 10K because it's one Of the few races where they put me in The elite section and it's undeserved But it does mean I get to hang around People who are visibly confused as to Why I'm there and then I get yeah little Little vest of my name on and then they All run away from me it's great we won't Need to worry about That unless you un you CL the fence um All right well let's talk a bit about Kit we've been Testing well you boys big day on the Channel today super L 2 launched hit us With some thoughts o so super Blast 2 is

Time talked about the original Su blast I've said it's like one of the best Shoes that's ever been made I love that Shoe I think it's phenomenal used it for A lot of runs they haven't really Changed a lot with the superlast 2 They've updated the midell phone one of The midell foam so the bigger piece of Midell foam with the new FF blast turbo Plus I keep getting these names wrong Quite a lot of them but it's not Massively different it's a little bit I Think it's probably a little bit Bouncier but that's not the bounciest Year round anyway so it's it's a minor Change I think in the upper I don't Really see any difference from it I Think there's some people commented on The channel saying they had some fit Issues with the first one and hopefully That's to fix that but overall i' might If I picked up the superlast one it's Not going to be a massively different Run Okay interesting because it is Because it's a new phone that obviously Has been amazing in The Meta speed Sky Paris nedge Paris but it doesn't have The same kind of LIF off in terms of Changing the feel of the shoes this time No I think you you can get a slight feel Of maybe it's a little bit poppier but It's not mass a massive difference it's Not like when you see a shoe change the Foam and suddenly the shoe becomes a

Completely different faster shoe I think It's just a a slight upgrade to to the Previous nice yeah I mean I I've not run I'm not running the F in the first one So this is the first time I've running It and I know having spent a fair amount Of time in the Met spe Sky Paris I do Think there is some elements there Particularly the front of the shoe and I Think that's what I kind of like for Them for the new spe Sky Paris Particularly in terms how it feels and I Think there is some elements but I think Ultimately what it's you know feel to me Is that it you know they didn't get a Lot wrong with that first shoe they Needed to keep that weight ready Relatively similar you know upgrade to The new phones that are in the other Shoes around it and ultimately deliver a Similar experience and I I feel like People probably going to get you know I Haven't had a bad run in this shoe and I Think every time I've wanted to go out On it you know I've looked forward to it And I think that's a main thing and you Know it is expensive but I think I think If people can get hold of it I mean They're going to enjoy it and I think It's going to be a shoe for everyone I Think I thought as the uh one thing in The outside the first catch very small Stones for me occasionally in little Gaps so maybe that's changed but

It's nice when a very expensive shoe at Least feels different to a not very Expensive shoe which isn't always the Case so it's good if yeah like there is Few now like even the SC X which is not Actually necessarily that I would use my Rotation it does feel quite different to Lots of other things all right Nick what Have you been testing well T some fast Shoes in this week we got the we Puma Devi8 Nitro Elite 3 and The Meta speed Edge Paris finally which I've used today For a really hard track session I've Used it for a hard Road session the Weekend I like the edge Paris but I Don't think if that different to the sky PR I don't think it feels quite it feels Slight slapper to me maybe but it still Feels brilliant but yeah I think someone Made a point to me on the things it Feels a lot like other Super Shoes the Guy Paris genuinely feels like to me the Best super shoe so yeah I've enjoyed Testing it so far do some more stuff in That but the pumo we're all enjoying Right it's Umcia yeah the elite is really that foam They have is really good I think the new Alaic TPU that is an example of a phone That's changed things quite a lot I Think it's it's one those ones that's a Little bit firmer to deliver a bit more Energy return but not in an unpleasant Way it's just really really nice well I

Said in my espa 10K video that even Though uh it didn't get me a PB that was Not the fault of the shoe that was the Fault of my body yeah um but I did say That I think the previous two versions I I thought they were good shoes I just Very rarely picked them up if I was ever Going for any sort of race and thinking Right I'm going to go for a PB now would Not be on my list of shoes whereas this One now I think it probably is getting There now I'd be more than happy to use That probably up to Marathon distance Now yeah to get er racing but for me it Does feel like a shoe that you know Could be right up there and like Competing and I the DV Nitro Elite 2 had A great moment for me when I was in Poland in February and uh I used it for A park run on like icy Pavements I was There's not many Super Shoes I could use For this and used it took it in an icy Forest the next day and it's like yeah That that's I guess it's main use case Scenario is the fact had an amazing grip And this new one still has pumber grip You've got a much more impressive pH I've got a actually I've got a mixed Terrain race next week I might might use It there again kind of for it but the Fact it's lighter I did find it slightly Longer me so I'm hoping I can get a half Size down just cuz when you got race Sho It's always nice to have it I think a

Bit tighter fit have the plate really Underneath you but although as I said in Like the fact that it's a bit long means The plate sticks out a bit in front of My foot much like the Puma fast R to so It could actually be the design they're Going for Anyway anything else Kieran you can test Anything interesting recently well I've Missed out on a few of those shoes I'm Not not managed to get ganting around The world doing races yeah I've been Yeah I guess for I mean I've basically Gone back into some big old sort of Cushion dailies I've been looking at the Adidas Supernova premium which I know Mike's done a first run on the channel That one relatively impressed with I've Quite enjoyed it not particularly Groundbreaking but I think as Adidas Tries to plug that gap of having a good Cushion daily trainer in its lineup to Support its sort of best sort of fast Race shoes I think it actually does a Really nice job it's um it's one of Those shoes I think you could just clip Along kind of nice and happy easy in it It's got a good balance ACC cushioning It's not heavy uh it's not too soft and Sinky there's quite a good kind of um Sort of immediacy to it and another one Of those I sort of wh into that sort of Group of shoes that if I don't really Have an intent for that particular run

I'm just going to go out and plot around Low heart rate this shoe I think does a Really nice job kind of much prefer it To the um to the Supernova rise which is An odd one for me because normally I'd Go for the firmer shoes but I think this One on balance just has a little bit More to it so yeah I've enjoyed that one And I'm going back I've been digging Back in the in the now in the archives From what you guys have already been Testing I've put on the gel Caro 31 Which we've already reviewed but that's A new one for me a shoe that I never Really expected to be particularly Excited about but I actually have Enjoyed my runs in that one as well Which is feels lighter and a bit softer Than last gen but been doing a few more Tests in that but that's my that's my Not so exciting testing I've been doing In terms of shoes I've done a lot of Headphones and a lot of other bits and Pieces but shoes Wise It's been a bit Quiet because I've been off well one Other shoe that wish we should mention Uh is the Muno Neo Vista lovely shoe Incredible shoe speak on the video we Did the review I mentioned that I was a Bit worried about this shoe because it Was one of those shoes that gets um Seeded out to the influences of the World and everyone says It's amazing but It's generally getting used for people

Taking photos and sort of walking um Walking about so I was a bit worried but Got a hold of it absolutely love that Shoe it's absolutely phenomenal and it's Like for someone like me who likes a Bouncy fun shoe with a bit of Versatility it's really really really Good and Nick I think you like it as Much as me Nick I like it well what's Really I loved it and we we talked I Think it's a really good shoe really Verse style like one of a super trainer That leans to the Mellow easy side of Things but can do a bit of everything Like really good daily for sure I was Just surprised when I asked you I'm like Because I haven't tested super BL to yet And you you still say super loss Definitely over ahead of it so that Makes me excited for the super loss for Sure cuz we got over the Muno for a Solid 12 13 minutes I think it's I think It's it's they're different Shoes somebody really likes the mauno ne Know Vista for something is probably Liking it for different reasons than Somebody would like super Bast 2 so I Would like both of those shoes for Different runs I definitely use the Newer Vista for more of the easier fun Stuff where I'm just you know doing my Usual miles and just want to go enjoy it Super blast I want something that I can Do marathon training in basically and

Hard sessions and things like that I Think you could use both both for Variety of runs but they are very very Different so overall I'd probably say Superlast is the one that I would I Would go for if I had to have Choice Good but yeah i' yeah I really enjoyed It I'm looking forward to uh yeah maybe Test superl but see what else Muno do Now they're tapping into quite a nice Little vein with their shoes of late it' Be good to see what goes on okay so we Shall we talk about some best shoes then Well yeah carry on with it [Music] Okay so we are about to do our best uh Running shoes video which is by far our Most popular video on the channel uh Where we talk about all the different Road shoe categories and we pick our top Three picks and some additional options That you can look for from all of these Different categories so what we're going To do in in this video or podcast is Talk through all the options that we've Got talk through the categories and give A bit of an overview of why we've chosen The on that we're looking at and for What reasons we put things in these Categories basically is that clear yeah First question to answer is why are we Doing it in July people always ask that Oh yeah a year since we did the last one So one big reason the reason we do this

In July is because in one because we do The awards in at the end of the year Which is all of the shoes that come out Over the course of the year but the main Thing reason we do it is because there's So many shoes that come out over the Course of the Year by the time we get Halfway through the year we've already Tested an awful lot of shoes and if we Leave it till the end of the year to do It and do the best shoes of the year Nobody watches that video because They're all trying to watch best shoes Of 2025 by the time that comes around And it no longer it means anything it's Also not just the best shoes of this Year it's the best shoes in these Categories so lot of picks will be older Shoes yeah and the awards is just for The ones in the year exactly exactly Also you want to buy a shoe in 2024 good To know about it in July I think yeah Basically you get two you get you get Two videos one one is the best shoes Video which comes out now and then you Get the awards that comes out at the end Of year so you get two videos covering The best shoes that are coming out that Fair it's very fair excellent okay so Let's start by looking at the first Category so how this works is uh we all Vote give give our top three shoes in a Category and then I work out based on a Point system which one is first second

Very shady point system is Shady and It's quite biased it's an algorithm it's An algorithm that no one understands lot Of votes get nullified in the old Algorithm lost Votes uh well the first one that we do Is the big one and that is best ratio Which is probably the most obvious Category to talk through but somebody Want to pick up how what is the best Ratio and how we pick it it's got be a Carbon good year for it this year Because we've all done marathons we've All raced lots and it's yeah we just Pick the shoe we like racing in the most Which is now always a carbon plate I Think it always has actually since the Start of our channel it's always been Carbon hasn't it don't think we ever Yeah yeah so this will be from any year And is it is it fair to say we we're Kind of thinking it does cover R races But a lot of these would be Marathon Worthy well I think most well especially This year when probably the big Target For most of us first was a marathon and Then even like your big Target second Half the year here and you're probably Not as fussed about the shoe so much as The experience I guess um whereas yeah When you go chasing a time in the AM we Are quite Marathon focused it's fair to Say um but nearly all the shoes work for Short distances as well yeah and it's

It's it's quite General as well because We do have other videos throughout the Year where we talk about specific Distances and things like that so this Is more personal preference W if you Could only pick one Rao for your running Career which would you which would you Go for yeah I think that's fair to say All right so I am going to go through Some of the options we've got and we're Going to talk through them okay so one That's cropped up a lot is the aex meta Speed Sky Paris and I think yeah it's Safe to say every we've all tested that Now I think Yeah yeah I think yeah so think yeah two Of us set PBS so get quite clear clear Vote didn't it yeah I think it's Probably safe to say that that shoe has Probably the the most surprising in a Good way shoe this year it's really Every time any of us have used it we've Gone wow asex has really done a good job With this shoe they've really developed What they had previously and and and Really improved it yeah Sensational shoe And we just started testing the edge Which at the moment we feel we're Probably I think me and my contest it We're probably leaning still Towards the Sky even though I think we're both Edge Runners according to aex but the sky Feels a little bit special still and They and they're they're almost merging

Into the same shoe so I think it Probably says a lot about where things Might go but I think my experience has Been so far that you know the sky feels Like the stand out shooting feels like It offers something slightly different From the um D Paris so far what also Like about the sky in general is that It's exceptionally light and I think That will hopefully prompt other people To start pushing their carbon shoes in That direction because I really like a Light racing shoe even if it is going to Be big and bouncy you can make it really Light as aex has shown and Puma's done Now as well and even Nike's Racing shoes Are getting lighter while they make the Rest of their shoes heavier so yeah I Like that Trend okay another shoe that's Cropped up quite a lot in this in this List is the alphafly 3 and I I to honest I'm not I've talked about this a lot I Much prefer the Ally one I actually Found it tricky to choose juice for this One because there's not many I tested Past year that I really really liked but The AL 3 did crop up quite a bit what Are our thoughts on the Ally 3 so far I'm still yet to run it so Yeah yeah I think it's pretty great I Think it's I was very surprised when I Tested that shoe I didn't think there' Be anything I'd like more than that this Year but then the yeah obviously the ASX

Met speed Sky Paris has come along the Ally is fantastic I think it's bouncy Springy airpods give it that extra punch Smoother ride than past Alpha flies yeah You trade some of the bounciness of the Alow one but you get I think a faster Turnover someone like myself who is a High Cadence Runner I think it's a Brilliant shoe would be very happy if That' be my Rao all year long after Testing it I've done a lot of miles in It now some really hard sessions raced In it but I think it's a spectacular Shoe I think it's the best shoe Nike has Made but alow one is still pretty Special as Well okay and I think you and me oh Mike You've got you've tested the vly as well I have yeah so the vly has crops up Obviously quite a bitly is still Sticking around list isn't it yeah so Vly why why is that on the list go Mike Um I mean I think Anda I guess other Guys who test it I think it's a sh Whenever I put on and I've wanted to run Quick in or race in it's felt amazing to Do so it gives you all that you would Want from a from a racing shoot very you Know the upper in terms of the weight I Think in terms of that kind of Propulsive feel you won over the you Know over shorter and even little bit Longer distances in it as well too you Know I've just always if I've wanted if

There's a shoe I've looked to for Running or racing a little bit quicker You know I've never been disappointed Putting this shoe on and I think that's Why it's still around and kind of in This discussion about kind of racing Shoes still the shoe I see the most at Races around me as well like it's either Vaporfly 2 or if they've gone through Those VAP play three I think it's still Got that that's still got that hold Reputation with Runners and it's not Disappointing them at all and they made It slightly more cushioned as well which I think makes it a bit more accessible For probably a wider group of Runners But for me I'm I I'm the opposite end I I kind of think they softened it too Much and I think they took the the fast Edge off it which is what I really like Actually about the the sky Paris it just Feels a bit like the old Vapor fly too Used to feel the vapor just lost a bit Of its Edge for me but I know why people Like it I think it gives you a little Bit more protection later into races if Things aren't going particularly well so I'm not surprised that lots and lots of People now lace it up across the C of Different pace ranges all right okay so No surprises there we should with big Big throw a boner to the Hocus y X1 Which I think has been one of most Surprising and enjoyable shoes of the

Year mentioned the shoe I've done the Most miles in this year probably I think Just because I used it for so many Training sessions because it's such a Fun fast bouncy shoe yeah I mean a lot Of my bigger kind of London marath Training runs was in that shoe and um it Was just enjoyable to go out on there I Mean I don't love everything about it You know I think Nick you've had some You know interesting experience with the Lacing I think which is quite clear There's maybe something needs to be Rectified for a a next version but I Think in terms of what you're getting in Terms of that ride terms of experience In terms of being out and just kind of You know getting through that mileage in That shoe it just feels like a really Nice shoe to you and I've never felt my Legs have been wrecked after running in That shoe and I think you know you know HW has had a good year I think they've Had some very strong shoes and the seatt X1 is definitely one of their kind of Standout shoes from this year and do we Think that the uh pum Nitro Elite 3 is Going to appear I mean it's I think if We get a couple of races in I think I Want to you know you still want to see Those results don't you that's the Problem with racing shoes you need to Race them to really learn to love them Or what you think about them but

There's nothing I haven't liked about it Yet yeah I've done a I've done I did a 5K race it um and I do what I really Want to see how it's kind of hand going To handle over longer distances but I Think I just got a good sense of what It's going to offer and it just feels Like a massive Stu up for me from the Previous shoe in terms of being a more Racing kind of centric shoe for me uh And I think P's got a lot right here With this shoe let's move on to daily Shoes now uh we trick we have a daily Shoe category and an allrounder category Nick what is the difference between what Is the difference that we give for daily Shoes and allrounder shoes well for me There isn't much of a difference I guess Is the problem but uh I like to use Allrounder shoes as daily shoes but I Think all rounder shoes are talking more Like things you know on the super train But shoes you can you can use for Everything so including fast running and Then I think for daily shoes people Would probably more think of a slightly More cushion feel as in your daily runs Are often very easy tends I mean but it Is a bit of a it's just it's a tough Distinction but I guess they're probably Slightly more cushion than all rounders All rounders probably a bit more of an Edge to them if you are going to use Them for fast runs you can kind of use

An allrounder as a daily you can't Necessarily use all dailies as all Rounders nicely Explained all right well clear as mud I Picked the same shoe in both category so I don't know why you want Me this is good this is a good Explanation of it we talked uh in in the Podcast about the Muno Neo Vista and the Super Blast 2 I put the Neo Vista in Daily and superl 2 in allrounder I put Nervous to an Allrounder did you yeah yeah you're an Anomaly you're just you're confusing This Process I think it's my fault I think It's a confusing confusing section of Categories although I guess this is the Whole point is that people might use Shoes for different things anyway so It's yeah kind what constitutes an Allrounder for Nick might not be the Same for Tom so it's all good yeah it's Fine it's just the problem then we pick Three and then people get confused but It's fine we do our individual picks but I I think there's a lot of crossover Basically put it that way but I think What we don't have in our daily trainers Because none of us really do this is we Don't put in something what we call a Cushion Sho which is another category so If a shoe we think is completely easy Day Focus very cushion all that lots of

People that is a daily trainer but on Our Channel it kind of isn't because we Like a shoe that has a little bit more Versatility than those very classic Cushion shoes like the aexel Nimbus for Example okay so some of the shoes that We've got in this category are the aex Joel Nimbers uh the soer end off speed four Has cropped up yeah so that's an Allrounder isn't it let's be honest we Should probably take it out this I think That is an Aller yeah this is good we're Actually just do having a basically a Meeting I Think I think we have given it two Awards in the past but maybe we should Just we should change it up then all Right then so what about the new Bal Reel V4 yeah it's really really good Shoe yeah I I think that I would class That as a daily shoe as again I think a Lot of people disagree because they Wouldn't say it's cushion enough but I Agree it's a daily issue I do think it's Quite cushion though I personally for me I think on the Easiest stuff I don't think it it sits That well the easiest stuff compared to Some the other shoes we talking about Here but I think in terms of you want a More upo fast at focused daily train I Think absolutely but me personally I Find it really wants you to run a little

Bit more uptempo in that sh um that's Kind of just been my experience of it so Um yeah definitely we should just put The list out when we try and explain it We we yeah we'll put we'll put some of These shoes in the comments and then any Of the viewers or listeners can comment And say what they Think viciously debate about it because I I complet I disagree I put the speed 4 Because I use the speed 4 for a lot of My easy miles as well great easy great Easy really good find it I find it yeah I find it Cushion up until about three minutes ago The speed for is going to win this Because me and Kier both number One how how would you put these in a Rotation then so R is quite obvious in Our rotation uh chrisan sh's quite Obvious in our rotation what are the Daily and all rounder shoes in the Rotation well I think we I think we Basically I think what we should do is We should call the daily the shoe that You would have in a rotation maybe and Then you're round would be for someone Who doesn't buy a Rotation that's quite good yeah the way They allrounder for me is is like if you Could only have in a way if you had like One shoe this thing can do you know I I Could ra if I had to I'd race a marathon In the speed for you know it's like it

Can do a good range and if you've only Going to buy one shoe the allrounder Sort of ticks most of those boxes not All of them perfectly but the problem Remains that when we did our rotations Video we both pick the speed 4 as Train but so I guess we could we could Try and separate it like that yeah I Think it's if you don't have rotate so For example in DA's I could put two Shoes from my rotation in because the Pum velocity Nitro 3 would be a very Good daily train I would use it daily The speed 4 i' would also use kind of Daily but I think they're both examples Of different kinds of daily trainers but We could maybe say if one's very Allrounder let's let's save it for All-rounders okay So any other options we've got in this Category are hak 6 beautiful daily Trainer that beautiful daily trainer HW X another solid solid daily trainer I Guess yeah yeah and I guess it's you Know it's a little p for me it's a Little bit peier than the than the Mac 6 So you need probably need some like a Kind of slightly more responsive ride That's a bit more direct for that kind Of daily run than people who want you Know with the the caveats of people want It more cushioning that Nick was talking About in this area but again I i' quite Can do regular miles in the mat

X okay so let's do best of rounders next Cuz that's the Hot Topic uh so in the Best rounders we're seeing super blast Two cropping up yeah the well speed for Again Rebel V4 again so I think we take The rebel V4 out of that maybe maybe It's not an allrounder for lots of People yeah yeah more da it's more shoe That he would pair with maybe a carbon Shoe to go nuts in and then a more Cushion shoe for long m so there we go That's we've cleared up a little bit Neo Vista I think probably is more daily Than allrounder I agree with you Tom Good it is a very good all round though I do think it's one of the three best All rounders I've tested this year but If we're g to try and clear it up a bit We can we can do that I don't mind yeah Okay then the other problem we have Obviously with the videos is these that Sometimes it's not that common only one Person has tested the shoe so the Boston 12 is a shoe that would feature very Heavily in all rounders only I've tested It I need to add that into my algorithm Don't I Yeah it always gets displaced by the Algorithm to it always gets like an also Mentioned because Nick likes it but none Of us tested it trick because if if if I If I worked out the algorithm and when I Say the algorithm I me up there working Through a spreadsheet the algorith I

Just compute four people's votes if I if I uh modified it so it up up uplifted Things because people only had one of Them then if somebody has completely Rubbish Choice it would be massive yeah Exactly yeah it it wouldn't work it Can't be acceptable so okay so why that That that does explain why the if people Probably wonder why you know the Boston Doesn't because it is a very popular Shoe as well but I um I think that's why That's the reason like I think you guys Would probably like it but we can't we Can't can't base anything on that see Saying is Adidas can you send us all the Boston from Stone is it we haven't Tested the SL2 either which supposed Very good there's a big pile of shoes Here to get through I'm not I'm not Myself trying to get other ones all Right let's do an easy one then cushion Shoe there's not going to be loads of Debate on speed 4 Next uh so this is this category's got Not many surprises in it so you've got New bound 1080 v13 which is definitely a Cushion shoe definitely not one I love But is beloved uh Brooks Glycerin 21 Great shoe definitely a cushion shoe uh On cloud size first surf for seven which Just is it is feels like C shoe it's not Like a ma Max cushion shoe but I that's A daily for me I'm gonna say that Interesting I'm going to say it okay

That's I think I'm on the fence with That one I you could go either way on That one Brooks go 16 you probably Thought that a daily wouldn't you I Think that's a it's a cushion daily yeah Cushion daily oh no they don't cross the Cushion P magnify Nitro to that's Definitely a cushion shoe that's a Cushion shoe I think both hum could go In here quite R 17 probably would have Used to have been daily but it's Probably moving more towards the world That's I mean that's the epitomy of a Cushion daily okay good so we're not Really getting anywhere with these We could do a massive ven diagram Couldn't we would that be a good video Just us drawing a huge ven diagram what Is it OB you drawing it we'd all be There Tom we'd all be there we draw the Circles and we just keep writing more Shoes into different I think it could Work I think it'd be more interesting For us to properly Define these Categories they are men with men so that Is the job of the uh the listeners to to Sign our categories for US list you Think people are any more contrary than All the people any more people contrary Than us is everyone's going to comment They're it's going to be of a wild Disparity of views coming H the only Ones we need to know are what is a daily Shoe what is an allrounder cushion shoe

I think is fine I think I think you can Allow for a certain level of actually That might slip into daily but it is Quite a cushion shoe so I think a lot of The cushion shoes we like are because They have a bit more about them for Daily training actually yeah shoes are There for like slower easy comfortable Miles you're not necessarily going to go Faster in them sole purpose is comfort And cushioning so about the team of Velocity nitr 3 tricky on that cushion Daily isn't it yeah it's my cushion shoe In my rotation there the problem with we Haven't got enough people yeah well That's it's actually a value shoe so uh Yeah we just we always get away with Velocity Nitro V Nitro can easily be in All of these categories but it gets Shoved into value because it's cheap Even though it's I think it's better Than any other shoes anyway yeah Actually that's a good point a lot of The shoes can can cross over but they Can't all win because just because a Shoe can cross over the categories Doesn't mean it's the best in a category Yeah you know what would really Express This a huge ven diagram that they're all Standing around just writing shoes into Can you can you just do that on your own I can I feel I feel we wouldn't publish It I think we basically need to hire a Massive crane with a top down camera

Giant Circles and Nick with a big pile Of shoes just putting them in different If we could Art Attack it Kier Tom's got drone oh Yeah video right let's move this along Uh best value to the final category got His best value shoes that one is very Easy it's just a shoe that's really good Value it can be any type of shoe uh it's Probably a mixture of being relatively Cost effective but also being durable Vertile you know you know what a really Good vertile she would be in my mind an Allrounder yeah yeah but allers aren't Necessarily cheap are they the best Allrounder is probably not going to be The uh cheap one cheaper one it's the Pum of L nro 3 I mean e category there Is all right so other shoes to stick in It list as if you've managed to get all The way through this video podcast and Uh you have views on what makes up these Categories please comment you have Access to several large rings and a and A drone and Neil Buchanon ideally yeah We will um we'll get this done yeah let Us know what you think to these category We were originally going to say what Would you think goes in this what what Would you pick of these categories but Considering we need to defy the Categories that's probably the most Useful thing to get your help on Actually you know when I we just did the

List and we had all the picks and I said Maybe we should discuss this we should Never have discussed it we should have Just gone with the pics actually the Pcks were fine yeah yeah good to know For next year all right all right well Um yeah we'll uh we' got to sort it out The next week or so so uh I've got to Edit the video we have to put the link Into this uh for all the people who have Complaints rightly yes yeah I mean I'm Kind of confused about whether which bit Of this is the meeting and which bit the Video that's going to go Out it's real time the meeting the Podcast this is all going out this is All going out this is this is like Behind the scenes behind the scenes yeah They are the sausage just made and you Can see it you see Yes all right well uh glad we cleared All that up so in the next few weeks we Will be releasing our full Guide to the Best running shoes you know what the First comment is going to be why isn't The S and Dophin speed the best daily Trainer second comment really like Tom's New doors yeah third comment about pity Nitro 3 that true four would be kieran's T-shirt nothing wrong with this Right I think that'll do this for now Yeah we've got some work to do right I'll see you guys later oh my God I'm Sweating so bad all

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