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[Applause] [Music] Hey Tomy from the r testers and welcome Back to another episode of points of Shoe where we answer your questions on Running shoes Tech kit that sort of Stuff in this episode we talk about a Load of things from data on watches to Our favorite running shoe brands and if We do cross training so let's dive in And go through the questions [Music] Evening Mr Harris fry how you doing Heidy Hi how are you I'm very well uh Yeah all right all right still hav't got Doors in my house but it's work in Progress you still in your old house for Now then yeah we're renovating well so Renovating we're doing stuff to the the New house before we move in so at least You told me had an hour and a half trip To move a radiator from inside one house To another or something it's quite hard If you don't live in the place that You're doing up because things get Delivered at different times you don't Know when they get delivered um so every Time basically I got a radiator that Needed to be delivered just they just Delivered it just left outside the house And I just checked the tracking it said It's outside your house so I had to go And move it indoors so travel over for An hour and a half saying an unknown
Location in Sussex right now there might Be three radiators just lying around and Stuff like that possibly I mean I'm not Sure anyone would want it but from the Packaging it looks quite good yeah we've Currently got it was a good radio though Nice we've got our own problems here Which is we got got getting a bit of a Patio in the back garden and they Started yesterday classic thing where They just didn't turn up the second day Obviously doing another job so they've Just left a massive pile of sand outside My house and it's rained quite a lot Today so I guess they'll have less sand Than they left it with so yeah yeah yeah Well that sounds positive yeah good good Yeah really strong stuff but anyway yeah Be good patio for uh it means this is Actually quite important because it Means uh throughout the winter months When I can't couldn't film on my lawn Shoe cutaways I'll now be a to do it in My back Garden instead of on the street Outside my house which has me a bit of a Rep as a local who's sh filming his Shoes that's all I've ever been able to Do now I've now I'm going to have a Garden I'm going to be all in on it's Nice but you need a bit of patio because If you just you relying on grass I know It just floods here all the time so all I've got is patio decking in patio Perfect you never have to leave the
House again absolute dream Absolutely laps around it right should Do some questions well we got a lot we I've got a lot so uh thanks for everyone Who uh messaged in and with with a Question we've got some very good ones This time um we always have very good Ones to we always have very good ones But there we've got a lot of short and And easy ones to discuss instead of Detailed ones that quite complicated to Instagram I think is good for that it Encourages short questions doesn't it Yeah it does yeah yeah okay so I'm just Going to randomly go through and pick Some of the ones that we that we've got Uh that are good are any of them your Friends just abusing you like last time Or there I've had no abuse at all this Time which is odd that is a shame is a Shame yeah um maybe next time all right Let's start a nice easy one uh fortnite Bot okay it says best running shoes for 10K for racing I assume I assume so yeah Uh aex met P Sky Paris okay your Favorite carbon shoe would be your best Your best shoe for 10K I'd say pretty Much yeah yeah yeah I wouldn't Necessarily feel the need to go and get A low profile one but the aex is very The aex is lighter than all of the low Profile ones like the Tumi anyway but Tumi is good for 10ks but I'd rather be In the aex yeah it's a bit different if
You if you did this uh eight years ago It probably be a bit easier to say this Is a good shoe for 10K because some of The you know bigger clumpier boun Marathon shoes might not be very good For it but now it's yeah much of a Muchness isn't it yeah I wouldn't I Wouldn't buy a specific shoe for a 10K Probably just yeah just use your general Racer unless you're only doing five and 10K you know then weight would come into Occasion then the aex The Vapor flyer Both very lightweight shoes if you are a Runner that is very very fast and you're Trying to get marginal gains all the Time then there probably is some benefit To really going for a lighter shoe but Um yeah twisty courses some some of the Pumers come into play because the grip Is so good yeah oh yeah General straight Line 10K throw on your carbon shoe yeah Okay so just any carbon shoe then that You like okay so this is a really good One quite difficult one if you could be This is Mesto if you could be sponsored By any running brand and therefore Receive free apparel and shoes but but It means you can't wear any other brand Ever who would you choose and why um Here's a good question like I'm pretty Dominated by the wanting my favorite Racing shoe but uh so that would know I'll make do with substandard trainers Compared to other brands if I think of
Got my favorite racer but actually in General I really like aix's clothing as Well so I probably would say aex I think They've got the best rotation available At the moment of any brand I'd say loads Of good cushy shoes really nice Versatile trainers my current favorite Racing shoe and I've always found their Clothing has a good fit for gangling you Know lers like myself so I've even got a Couple of pairs of shorts with loads of Pockets for the marathon which I Obviously need to carry all my drinks so I'd probably say aex right now how about You Tom it's a tough one because yeah it Does largely come down to the shoes Doesn't it if you you know it could have The best clothes in the world but if you Don't like the shoes then you're not Going to pick it uh I think it's It's Tricky one because I would go well soy Would be my my shoe go to one I think For shoes but I don't I don't think I've Got any soy kit that I really wear very Often uh so I'd probably say Nike Nike Yeah just cuz I really like the kit and It fits me really well and I've got lots Of nice nice Nike stuff and I running The Ally ones more than any other shoe Hoka right now has got some lovely like Clobber um really nice bright colors and That so that would be tempting as well I Do like their shoes a lot as well but Yeah I don't know there's not too many I
Would be gutted to be you know I'd Happily take most of the shoes and most Of the gear yeah no problem I think These days that's the big difference Like you know few years ago you just Have to say Nike because they obviously Had the best racing shoe by a mile um But now it's all quite even unless you End up I wouldn't want to be sponsored By Under Armor for example I don't want To use their racing shoe or their Training shoes that much although their Gear is quite nice yes yeah yeah yeah It's a it's a tricky one and yeah well a Long time ago like well to a long G 5 Years 10 years ago it'd be pretty easy To pick based on uh like clothing and Stuff because not many were doing really Cool clothing it was pretty General they Added it in yeah supposed to be even Like H never even did clothes before and Now they've got quite yeah I remember When they had on the site they had one Hat and one T-shirt Glory what you need well yeah Run around bottomless Yeah under arour make the best boxes Actually that a bit that's a strong Point for Under Armour is that well they Do that's true if they go if you're Going to that level I'm not sure many of These Runnings even make boxes Tom so Suddenly it's Commando every run you Know and I do like even under you know a
Pair of shorts with a liner I usually Still wear boxes I never do never do I I Basically don't wear shorts I don't have Liners in these days yeah yeah I just Find for I prefer ief that's probably a Question that will come up on the Channel sometime do you wear underwear Under running shorts that has come up Before it came up about a year ago yeah Depends on the shorts but mostly I still Do okay okay here's a good one uh from The YouTube ones that people just seem To have like um automatically generated Names like just numbers and letters so I'm not even going to read out that one Uh so yeah what are your thoughts on the Importance of data from running watches And other devices for training is there An argument for less data or metrics What does a runner absolutely need so I Would never say there's an argument for Less data because I find it very easy to Ignore data that I don't need on which Is I know some people struggle with that If they if they know it's there they'll Be checking on it and using it but I've Never I think know always more data Because if that's useful to someone Great I'll just ignore it if it's not Useful to me terms of the actual Essentials for me um I would say the Most important stats for me are accurate Pacing stats uh so lap Pace basically I Could if I just had lap Pace on the
Watch I'd probably make do because I Have a plan from a coach and everything Like that and I know what easy effort Feels like but I do think well that's The thing heart rate on watch is is Useful but not if it's from the watch Because I don't really think it's very Accurate so um but yeah some judge of Intensity is definitely useful I think For lots of people especially new Runners but I yeah I wouldn't be going Completely nuts on it but but then some People will and they'll use it like some People use power from watches and it Judges everything they do but I don't Know um I certainly don't think there's An argument for L data because you can Just turn it off very easily yeah yeah Well I I'm not massive I use I'd Probably use the bare minimum I've got a G Phoenix 7 Pro so I do get a lot of Data but I tend to use the standard Things that most people use I suppose It's it's not necessarily an argument For less data because I think the data Is important it's how the data is used So I do think there's a lot of watches That use the data just to show that They've got the data and then you look At it and you think well how do what I Do with that also there's definitely Yeah there's definitely a move to have All this data out there to try and help You so that's obviously that's in runs
Outside of runs I will look at things Like you know the Readiness stat and Stuff like that and I you know take it And I even look at the hill and the Endurance score and the gar I don't Really care them but you know if you see A trend in the right direction I think It's quite interesting sometimes but you Got to make sure that you're not relying On things that are based on dodgy heart Rate data more often than not and stuff Like that so that's sometimes the big Issue with it you've got to get good Data in to get good data out so I would Never live and die by any of the stats On the watch apart from like Pace during A workout because yeah I haven't got any Other measure of that pace it's very Hard I can't tell if I'm running a 318k Or a 321k without the watch so that's Probably the most important stat that I Would I would always I would say the the Moment you are checking data to the Point where you feel a little bit Stressed by it I would hide the widget Or hide the day you watch immediately Because it's not worth it um I think It's all going to be used with a pinch Of salt and looking at Trends and all That kind of thing rather than hard Numbers because we're all we're all Amors here for the most part and it Shouldn't be it shouldn't be taking away Anything from your enjoyment of the
Sport no I I do think it's I mean I Can't I think might have been Andy from The Running channel was talking about How when he used to train in his early Days they obviously didn't have GPS Watches that they were using for for Runs and stuff so he did it all based on Time yeah and it was never that accurate But obviously it worked quite well for Him his training but I would say that I Suppose it's different different people Uh there's probably some data that some People would find useful others don't Find useful there's some there's there's An argument for some data being useful From a purely you know motivational way Like stra just seeing your numbers go up And things like that but yeah I you know I think I think for most people there's A there's a fairly clear set of data That is going to be really useful for Your runs which is like you know how far You've run on GPS what your pce is over That yeah yeah yeah it's I feel like I Feel like running this boom now there's A lot more people running really hard Solo and without things like track Sessions and I think in the past like Example when Andy was running it would Have been like yeah well five sessions a Week just did not on time but the key Ones are on the track and you know Exactly how far you and it just doesn't Matter so but if all you know you're the
Running club three times a week and You're doing hill reps and some guy Knows a hill that's the right length and Or they know the rough length of the Route um or some guy's got a wheel and Measured it but um yeah if you're out by Yourself training hard like I did during Covid everything was done all my Sessions had to be done on the road I Was Finding certain Road loops and Things like that the watch became really Important for pacing all those kind of Things because yeah you know no other Way to do it um but yeah I I definitely Think for example sometimes in marathon Training I'll get two into my total Mileage and it will be on the it will be On my watch face um you know day to down I look down on it and I oh normally at This point in the week I'm at this Mileage and at which point I take it off My watch face because that's stupid to Think about that so you're just going to Catch yourself with a slot of this data And be quite mentally aware of what You're using correctly and what's not Helping you yeah and G quite dep for This one I'd also say that I think that There's some things that you get on a Watch which a seasoned Runner won't care That much about but it's quite good for A beginner Runner that that are quite Complicated data sets so things like the Training read Readiness and stuff like
That I don't really use anymore cuz I Generally know my training readiness but For somebody who's new to it that might Be quite an important way to go oh I Didn't realize after doing two runs a Week I'm my training R is going to go Down more than yeah the TR the overall Training load analysis is pretty good on These so you can see I think they if You're starting running from scratch and You got the watch or you know you're Coming into it it it will give you if You're if it you know people don't like All these things like say overreaching Or unproductive but yeah but you if as Long as you're getting accurate heart Rate data in that probably be a fairly Accurate representation that maybe You're doing a bit much at the moment um Yeah um but again those kind of people Probably are using the optical heart Rate monitor which might just be saying That they're you know they're working Harder than they actually are so that's Why that's why I don't like Optical Heart MERS I almost wish they didn't Have them on watches and they just came With a like an armband but then the rest Of the day they are very useful for like Tracking sleep and tracking wring you Know if you want to track your heart Rate throughout the day which everyone Does want to these days then you could Have
Both okay here's one that I particularly Like from Julian Ramirez how do you find Running with a camera or filming when You make your run test videos Is it Artificial or do you get used to holding One uh I don't like it it's a Pain I don't do much talking to camera On the run very rarely which is but I I Just use my phone on a on a selfie stick I'm quite low Tech because the um and I Don't do thing I used to occasionally Put it down and run past it uh but you Know it's just too hard to fit that in I'm always under the gun with time and Stuff so um basically occasionally I Just stick my phone and get a shot of The shoes on the move but the I don't Really do much filming On The Run Otherwise Tom you've got you've got Tom's got all the action cameras and Upgrades all the time so he does this Yeah well uh so yeah I've got like GoPros is the 360s um uh a drone um I I I I I used to do some videos where I I Would put a lot of effort into it and Set it up and go out just purely on the On the idea that I'm going to go and get Some nice shots my days being a wannabe Content creator like that have gone uh So basically I just I I do It's Tricky When when I'm training for a marathon And I'm going out for a run much like Probably you Nick you're just going to Go that you're going to do that run you
Don't want to be stopping for five Minutes to get it just takes too much Time and it is quite annoying going out To do like a hard interval session or a Long run carrying a GoPro or whatever in Your hand bit frustrating so a lot of Mine are artificial now I tend to do About around my house if I want to get Shots of the shoe uh okay running around Unless I'm actively going out for like Trail runs I will take the GoPro out Because obviously I got Trail next to my House that I can do shots on so I do use It for that I already ever used my in 360 anymore just because it's too much Hassle editing it afterwards um so yeah Interestingly when we interviewed kuszi On the channel so kuszi always takes one With him regardless of whether he's Planning on filming something or not Because he always says that because he's He's a content creator like that's his He's greater filming and he's great at Editing and stuff like that so he's Always got one on on him because he says Something always happens on a run or Quite often happens on a run where he Goes I wish I wish I had a camera with Me to capture a shot where I was running Past that thing or something like that Yeah um but but uh listeners if you've Seen confus videos you might notice that They're probably a little bit more Chiseled than our videos yeah I'll say
Everything about my setup is to minimize The hassle as much as possible so that's Why I use an iPhone so I can air drop it To my computer and it's quite small Video sizes doesn't take hours to Transfer and so basically I'll have a Selfie stick I'll just tuck inside tuck Down my shorts and at some point on a Run where I feel like it's nice and Quiet there's no one around me I will um Put the phone into that and I don't I Don't stop at any point to get it out or Anything like it's just it's all part of The same run there's no stopping at all So it does save a lot of time the Sacrific is obviously uh quality of Video but uh I think as a reviews Channel our argument is more that the Quality is is the content rather than How it looks necessarily I do try and CCH if I specifically talk about Something about the shoe like if I'm Saying that the the the heel is really Soft or something I will try and make Sure I captured that in slow motion so You can see it in the shots uh I used to Do it a lot harder like I used to go up And set up the camera and run past it a Few times and stuff but yeah yeah fact Because I'm not training hard at the Moment I'm probably more likely to do Some more of those things and next to my New house there's like a nice trail and Stuff so go out and do a nice bit of
Filming where where where I am now it's Quite hard I live in Brighton is busy All the time so just filming yeah it's Embarassing on the run people it's like Kids parks and stuff so you got to put It away it's just annoying going around Sometimes I get a few more nice shots in The track actually because uh usually I Have a friend there who doesn't do my Whole session and who does like bits of It at faster Paces stuff like that and He'll sometimes will I give him my phone And he'll fil me when I'm in the middle Of a rep so it's it's not artificial I Also look horrendous on the run so I Don't like to see too many shots of me Running cuz I have you know I'm not I'm Not I'm not a gainly chap that's for Sure so no one need see that a lot of People said that um yeah well my tracks Well I've left the running club now but My track uh the only times you could use It there was there was basically like 100 Kids training on it as well never Take it to the track then which I always Wanted to film on a track even take the Drone down or something but I've never Found a track that I could do it I did See like I do see I go on Instagram and You see like one of the the content Creators talking about the new drone oh I'd love to have that oh it follows you In films I go yeah you would never use It ni you would you
You be so annoyed how long it took you To get the video off the thing or there And how you to actually stop on a run Set up so yeah mine is it making a video Should add as little time to my day as Possible because I don't have the time Basically yeah I suppose that's the Thing isn't it we are Runners reviewing Running shoes over creating amazing Content that looks beautiful no I was Going to say the videos look some yeah Some of yours look quite nice Tom Tom Tom has actual real cameras and like not Just the go GoPro ones whereas mine is You can tell by mine because when it When I if when winter I have to film a Video at night you basically can't see Me because the phone camera is not good Enough to get the content yeah yeah yeah Well said when when when some of us not Me use uh record and there's no slow-mo On the on the camera and you can't Actually see the shoes cuz you're Running too Quick yeah I do that yeah yeah I don't Like slow-mo because uh then the file Sizes get too big yeah well action mode Is a big change actually for me because It I I didn't realize how much better Only when I had that on the I realize How much clearer those shots of my Rerunning are compared to when I just Use the camera in normal mode yeah yeah Action mode has been a big been a big
Plus nice yeah well I have actually been Looking at that um one that that drone That follows you expensive though Another thing for me to buy that I had Go a draw for I have a couple of kids You we'll stop doing that yeah yeah This is the story of the one as head of Maintenance at a concert hall he knows The show must always go on that's why he Works behind the scenes ensuring every Light is working the HVAC is humming and His facility shines with Granger Supplies and solutions for every Challenge he faces plus 24/7 customer Support his venue never misses a beat Call Quick granger.com or just stop by Granger for the ones who get it done all Right let's uh do another one this Should be easy one uh do you guys ever Wear Barefoot style shoes to alter the Stresses on your legs and feet no no I Don't either no we are we have quite a Wide variety of different drops and Stuff like that and um I am not uh Someone who feels the need to run bare At all I uh I you know people are into That that's great but it's a very Different thing and it's not you know as A high mileage Runner you know fairly High mileage Runner to suddenly swap Into them would just be asking for an Injury so no I I can't run well I Even those the zero drop but they're you Know they're not their fault and even
Then the zero drop ones I struggle to Run in for a longer period of time yeah Like test the under aror actually which Say it's 8 mimer the new phoc is not 8 Mm drop it's a very low Drop and I Jogging back from a session I thought I Should have swap shoes the session is Fine in them I don't mind being in a low Drop shoe for a session but uh but I Would the force going through your body And running is quite High even on the Forest near me I'd only do a very short Run if I ever did in a Barefoot sty Shoot Mike used to run in them a lot Yeah yeah Mike didn't run in them for The purposes of trinkling his feet they Did he he just preferred them he Basically started was running yeah he Just life in Barefoot yeah and now he's They got all these cushy shoes to test He hasn't gone back can't go back to Can't go back okay this is one not about Shoes but about training so cross Training do you do it what do you do how Much do you do do you enjoy it um I am Not brilliant I'm very good I do yoga Run as yoga a lot we talked about it Before the session I do two or three Times a week I will do a lot of car Phrases uh every day pretty much I do Kind of I do three sets of 10 car Phrases on each leg and then do that Twice with different bent leg straight Leg but I'm trying to do a bit more
Strength training I SP I spoke to a Really interesting physio about this Actually for an article he says you can Get same similar benefits of strength Training you know doing one big session You know as traditional strength Training which is what Tom I'm sure Tom Will come on to that by doing doses of Exercise before and after a run when You're already changed you're willing to Do some exercise if you do some you Whatever squats that kind of thing then You can actually get pretty big benefits From it so I was just going to try and Do that this year but even then that's The thing I lost in the time crunch I Probably I do a bit of core training I Do yoga and I don't do enough of other Stuff Tom is very good at Cross training Well not not sometimes I am uh so well Cross training there's obviously loads Of different ways you can do cross Training I didn't do anything like Cycling or anything I used to do cycling And yeah I like cycl actually I do cycle Indoors if I'm doing lower mileage for Any reason I will cycle indoors as well Yeah yeah um I Yeah I used to do cycling I used to do Loads of hit classes and all those sorts Of things I've stopped as I've got older This is why Thomas called the all round Of Fitness if you ever wonder why his Social media tag is that it's cuz he
Used to do everything that's how I met Tom actually was that a fitness class I Think it or something he do all sorts of That CrossFit all sorts of things now I Still very much go to the gym three Times a week um I I I'd probably say I'm A bit bad at the moment of doing legs But I do try and put it in but I Generally what the glamour muscles do Yeah well the problem is that getting Older now and I find it when I do legs I Am out of action for a couple of days it Makes it really hard to run and I can't I can't do legs during marathon training Just because you know you're doing six Days training a week and um it does Massively affect me like if I if I go And do a hard leg session and then you Know got an interv session or something You never man to get over the hump of Like you should be able to get used to That right and not get the DS by doing Enough of it like obviously pro athletes Are doing horrible strength sessions all Time but and they say to like do it on Your hard run day so you get a full Recovery another day the idea of going And doing like some weights after after A hard just really hard yeah I do a lot Of walking just in life and that does it Does add up a bit you know yeah it does Yeah yeah but yeah yeah so but I would Say I think my view on uh the lower legs I do loads of upper body stuff and
Actually upper body stuff is is is not People don't think of it as a as a cross Training but it's quite important to Build your upper body as well so CU it's Minor Core you need your core core but a lot Of the stuff you do with a body is going To help your core so yeah exactly Pull-ups and stuff like that is actually Having a nice effect on the rest of your Body and you do get a lot of Runners Especially you get older who have like You know back pain and stuff like that Because they've got quite weak upper Bodies and cores and they've only really Done running well now yeah especially Well well now we're both over 35 I will Do a bit of upper body just because I Don't in general you need to stop muscle Wastage yes that means I'll throw down And do some press ups and uh because I Don't worry very much I can do some Press UPS it's Great yeah we should yeah I'd like I Will I'm going to try this ex this the Idea is yeah when I start going again is It's always a time thing I'm always Running out the door to do my run and Fit it in like and it's like oh I could Just do three quick sets of squats here But I also don't have very heavy weights At home so you know you have to I end up Doing have do them fast or trying to do Them almost biometrically to try and
Actually get enough of an Cuz talking this guys very interes like Most Runners do strength training wrong He says basically they do long endurance Style sets with low weights which Simulates running that's not helpful at All you need to be doing like close to Your rep max short sets and yeah you Want a bit of strength bit of hyper Hyper Jesus Christ hypertrophy Hypertrophy yeah you want a bit of that Because that's going to have the Benefits for injury prevention and and Also speed and power and all those sorts Of things that um do become quite Important the classic Runners thing is To say I'll do I'll do some hills that's My strength training for the week I Asked this this this physio he's very Good he's got an app called running Buddy it's really good app which is Strength training specifically for Runners and it's like a paid app he's a Physio but like you know so he's really Well done everything's really well done I spoke to him for a really interview He's really interesting Guy and um but He says yeah I asked him that's right I Go on the trails and do Hills he goes Yeah he runers you know it is you know In a certain way if you're doing an Actual Sprint on a hill it is a similar Thing but it has to be actually Sprinting and you know it is easier to
Go and do some strength work yeah yeah Yeah okay let's uh let's finish with a Fun one um so running goals what are Your goals for 2024 I.E any race goals mileage goals Will Kieran be releasing his book on Running the Deno I know about that book I we asked him about the book he never He did a long really long article in Runner's World yeah we to follow up and See if he's actually going to do a book Because lot work a book isn't it yeah Well he's heading back out there isn't He so maybe he gone gone two part A book Yeah yeah um don't know about Kieran but Kieran's goals are comrades up leg and I Think he's going back to the Berlin 100 Mile because finished last year because His toe shed its skin or something so That I'm got Valencia Marathon at the End of the year and I'm going to goal For the summer is 10K and half marathon PBS um which I haven't touched for a While I need to have a good go at so Going to do high mile keep up hopefully The high mile as I did for the London Marathon and do ad more speed and then I'll Glen you love another go Marathon PB although to I am more or less content With my Marathon PB for life at this Point like as soon as you you say that Now I I'll go for a PB but at the end of The day when I'm 90 if I live that long I'm not going to look back and go 226
227 I'm not going to not GNA be that Fast unless I suddenly take off another Five minutes that'll be nice but seems Unlikely yeah yeah yeah well I've got I've got Val here as well yeah do Hest I've only got normally I have a series I've I've got some of the races up but At the moment I've just basically having Cuz now I've got this house and I'm just Sort of focused on that so I'm not that Bothered about big Sussex League events I'm doing a couple of ess6 League events For try and do PBS and also try and NAB An ess6 medal but yeah well I'm going to I'm going to start I'm going to spend The next two months sorting the house Out and just comfortably running around The Downs around around the new the new Pad and then uh well yeah testing a load More Tres um but then also going to Start training in August for Valencia And I'd like to get about 250 that would Be my Yeah that'll be good yeah you messed Around the start of this year doing too Many marathons and yeah I'm just not Going to I'm just not going to train for Spring marathons anymore you really Hated it didn't you I I hated it in Brighton yeah well it might be worse Because it's like um it's going to be Country Roads and stuff so I just don't Know what it's going be dark the you Going get hit by a car you is there a
Track where you going no there's no Track there is a track in Lewis which I Can drive to um which the running CL it Goes to but um it's not that convenient So we'll see I just need to find like an Industrial State don't I just trade on That one don't get those in small towns But that's it comes to a point though Where one thing I did quite a lot for London not that much but it made an Effort to okay I've got a serious Session I'm going to go to I'm going to Drive going to take the hit and drive 10 Minutes 10 15 minutes to a place I know I can do this well and I nailed every Single session there and it was like you Know what this you know this is so this Is worth it like you know it's going to Cost you a bit of time but you if you Plan it out so that time isn't affecting The family it's okay yeah yeah yeah okay To finish with a quick one could you Review some running apps like Runner and Cooper training PL that's hard for us Because we both had coaches you don't Have to coach anymore but Mike Mike's Done one hasn't it he used Mike uses uh Hal higgon one and Kieran used Cooper For Kieran did use Cooper so I think Kieran I can't remember I think he said He might be doing a video on it or Something but maybe cover obviously he Didn't use it entirely because he did Run three marathons during training
Which I have to imagine wasn't the apps Recommendation Yeah it's very difficult to review Something like that because obviously Takes a long and you got to get all the Way through to the point where you see The benefits of all the training and Everything so yeah um it's quite a big It's a quite a big investment I think Mike did say he's going to do a video at Some point on Hal hden he's probably Going to use that again quite was quite Keen on that I've looked at all those Apps and they I they are pretty good They're definitely going to make you Fitter I think if you get to a certain Point where you're really serious and You've used them you know for a couple Of marathon or two they're definitely What I would use if I was starting out Before I got a coach but as some point If you get a good coach it's it's a World of difference like because they're So just so smart and they know how to Keep you interested and they know what To do and there's a bit more Accountability with a coach compared to An app obviously as well but I do think Those apps are brilliant if you're very If you're a driven person and you're Also smart about it you're not like just Following it blindly because the apples Doesn't know if you're feeling well that Day that kind of thing then they would
All or everything I've seen from Cooper Runner most of these apps has been very Positive it will definitely work yeah Yeah I I'm always quite jealous people That can can follow them because I I Need the the coach to sort of know that I'm paying a coach and and know that I've got to do those sessions otherwise It's pointless me carrying on uh whereas With the with the I think I think the Thing like with the hell hiden app you Can pay uh for the premium service and It modifies the Run based on you know if You if you can't do it one day or two Days yeah it knows that and it will just The training plan but I hated that Because I knew that it would adjust it Whereas my coach would say don't Miss Sessions yeah unless you have to miss The sessions it's not like I just don't Fancy it I probably I probably get the Opposite from my coach cuz I I'm always Want to go out and run so he stops stops Me from doing too much and makes me rest At times and stuff yeah yeah all right Then well I think that'll do for uh this Episode yeah lovely if if your question Wasn't answered well we've got another One coming because we had a good crop of Questions so we're going to we're going To have we got plenty of questions to Talk through so uh yeah there'll be Another episode coming out very soon Catch you on the flippy flip I guess
[Applause] This episode was presented by Tom Wheatley and Nick harrish fry it was Produced by Tom Wheatley the music was By Fear of Tigers [Music]